portraitoftheoddity:

starkwayne:

okay wendy stans i have a question. How does it feel stanning the erasure of Romani and Jewish Representation in Marvel?

@starkwayne​, I will never tell you that your anger at a removal of a character’s heritage is invalid or baseless; but I will invite you to consider where you are directing that anger, and whether you are venting it at an appropriate target.

Fans did not decide to leave out Wanda’s heritage in her screen adaptation. The studio – its screenwriters, its directors, its executives – did.

Now, I get that it’s easy to lash out at fellow fans. Punching laterally on a platform where you are heard and get responses (even if they aren’t always the responses you hope for) gives you a lot more power than railing at institutions and corporations with actual control. Blaming fans and getting them to feel crappy at least makes you feel like someone is being punished for the thing you’re upset about, since there’s no way any of the rich guys in charge at Marvel Studios or Disney are listening to any of us.

But you’re lashing out at people who are not actually responsible for what you’re angry about. Heck, a lot of them are also upset about the same thing – they’ve just chosen to respond to it differently. You may decide you just don’t want to consume media that has MCU Wanda, and that’s perfectly fine. You don’t have to like her, you don’t have to read fic about her, and you certainly don’t have to spend time in the pro-Wanda tag. I think I saw you mention elsewhere in a conversaiton with @essayofthoughts that you like Comics!Wanda, and I 100% get that it’s frustrating when an adaptation or version of a character you like isn’t specifically tagged for to differentiate from the version you don’t like (I can’t count the times I’ve flinched at the sight of HYDRA!Cap in the Steve Rogers comics tags), but the best way to deal with that is selective tag and user blocking, and sometimes taking a step back from tumblr for while until you can deal with seeing the content you don’t like without feeling the need to respond. 

I won’t criticize you for your frustration or for your preferences; everyone is entitled to those. But what I will criticize is your decision to police and condemn everyone else’s interactions with the character that differs from yours.

Some people enjoy MCU Wanda because they feel represented by her in different ways than the comics. The comics representation still exists; now the MCU representation does too, covering a different demographic (refugees, eastern european displaced persons, trauma survivors, etc). Some people like Wanda for characteristics that are not explicitly tied to her origins (such as being a strong woman who has endured a hell of a lot while still retaining her compassion and exhibiting profound courage) and feel that the parts of Wanda they loved in the comics weren’t defined by her ethnic heritage.  A lot of people are upset, just like you, about the failure of the MCU to incorporate and represent Wanda’s jewish and roma heritagebut you can be critical of aspects of a piece of media or a character or a story while still enjoying its merits. 

And a lot of fans have also responded by compensating for that erasure in their fanworks, deliberately writing/drawing/roleplaying MCU Wanda with her comic book background. Personally, I love both comics and MCU Wanda, and where I find the removal of her heritage to be frustrating and problematic and I really wish the MCU had incorporated it, my response hasn’t been to hate the character, but to embrace the aspects of her that I love and then draw her as explicitly jewish

I will also point out that I happen to know a number of MCU Wanda Maximoff fans who are jewish themselves. Before you attack these fans, it’s worth asking yourself; what is your prioritization between the accurate adaptation of a fictional jewish character, and the wellbeing of actual flesh and blood jewish people? What is your prioritization between condemning an imperfect depiction of a female character, and attacking femme-identified people for enjoying one of the painfully few powerful female superheroes we’ve managed to get on the big screen? I’m not saying there’s always a cut and clear answer, because representation for a larger whole is important, but it’s worth considering your impact and how much good vs. how much harm your actions specifically do with your platform and your reach. Are you genuinely working toward fixing a problem? Or are you just making people feel bad on the internet for kicks and some nebulous sense of superiority?

If you want to increase Jewish/Roma representation, I would recommend starting a letter campaign or petition to Marvel or other studios to do better moving forward. Hell, if you do, send me the link – I’d be happy to sign and signal boost!!! But tagging hate in a place where people who don’t have a lot of social power go to share their enjoyment of a strong, compelling female character isn’t activism. 

It’s just kinda being a jerk. 

And I don’t know you, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I’d like to believe that you’re better than that. 

grifalinas:

1ady1azaru5:

grifalinas:

“We as a fandom have to talk about-” No. No we don’t. You can talk about it if you want to. That’s fine, if that’s how you fandom then go for it. I hope it works out for you because I want you to enjoy your fandom experience. But if I’m in fandom for reasons that’s counter to, then I have no obligation to talk about it. I don’t have to talk about anything except what I want to.

“Okay but you have to talk about your fave’s flaws-” No! No I don’t! I have to be able to acknowledge those flaws when they come up. I have to be able to admit that my character has flaws, and accept when others talk about those flaws. But I don’t have to talk about them if I don’t want to. If I want to only focus on the better aspects of my fave, even if that means just shallowly talking about how hot they are, I can. That’s my choice, that’s how I’ve decided to enjoy them.

Fandom is meant to be fun. Fandom is meant to be a hobby. I don’t have to talk about any aspect of my favorite story or ship or character or writer or anything if I don’t want to. You know what’s not fun? Having to talk about the ways my favorite thing is bad every time I want to talk about it. Having to point out my favorite thing’s flaws instead of the things that makes me enjoy it. Having to disclaim before I get to sing something’s praises because “yeah I know it’s shit BUT”. No. I can know something is bad without needing to talk about it.

Idk dude this sounds like a really great rationalization for wanting to ignore the parts of something that are problematic and not wanting to have to unpack that

Listen. If the way you fandom is to spend all of your time on critical analysis and unpack everything that makes the thing you like problematic, if that’s what you’re about, then go for it. I mean it. If that’s how you get on, then you do you, and I stand by what I said above, I hope it works out for you. I want everyone to be able to enjoy their fandom experience, even if I can’t wrap my head around why the way they fandom is enjoyable.

But I don’t owe anyone anything. If I don’t want to have a big public discussion about how problematic my favorite thing is, then I don’t have to. That’s my choice. I don’t have to perform a requisite level of discourse to be able to enjoy something; I can just enjoy it, and no one else gets a say in that.

It’s not a rationalization, it’s reality. I can fandom sans discourse if that’s the way I choose to fandom. End of sentence.

hot take: steve’s little catchphrase would have been better placed in a scene where he and tony are having sex and steve’s been eating him out for like 30 minutes and tony gasps out “jesus, aren’t you tired?” and steve does his cocky little smirk and says “i could do this all day”

avengersasssemble:

1) Please Steve absolutely would to try and be coy but Tony knows where that phrase as been and would go from full mast to throwing down the anchor bc laST time Steve said that he Nearly Killed Him and that’s a bit of a mood killer? However Steve would beg to make it up to him and Tony’s smirk would grow three sizes that day bc he’ll allow it if Steve will let him do AnYtHinG…..

2) Alternatively, Steve only usee the catchphrase when he’s getting beat up or when he’s beating off and Tony’s dick can’t tell the difference so he has to explain WHY he has a raging hard-on everytime Steve gets beat up in front of him (pavlov can eat dicks)

numbaoneflaya:

Having mutuals on this site is a lot like trying to be friends with everyone in a dragon age game. You see a post with an opinion you kind of agree with? Reblog it to gain +5 approval with mutual A and B if they see it, or lose -20 with mutual C if they do. You love them all but 6 of them have each other blocked. A new discourse comes up and you can feel all of their eyes in the backround staring at you as you begin to sweat. Sometimes iron bull is there

shieldspatriot:

iron-gauntlet:

Steve dealing with casualties vs. Tony dealing with casualties

steve sees things in terms of the lives saved and who/what he can save

while tony only sees the mistakes and what went wrong and who didn’t get saved

steve is a man who is at peace with what he believes, who is a soldier and has accepted that there are casualties and they can only do the best they can do

while tony is a man who will never be at peace with not being good enough to save everyone, who isn’t a soldier and can’t accept that this is simply the best they can do

here you see two people who look at the world in very different ways and that’s exactly why they couldn’t find common grounds to agree on